I haven't watched the Royals since before the All-Star break but I'm so glad to see Cuas go that I can't hardly get interested in what they got in return.
Hmmm... Let's see here..... A minor leaguer who strikes out 30% of the time. Yep, sounds like "a Royals kind of guy" to me. Still, Cuas is ancient history now. Addition by subtraction.
The trade was fine. I’m glad the FO said the right thing ONLY after getting roasted by the entire city the day before. At least they appear to be paying attention to that. Anything with upside is what we are going for. I STILL have a problem with AAA to mlb guys for this. It is VERY apparent that we now have a front office that after one year is looking at there jobs and making decisions based on that for next year. This is yet again another reason why you clean house completely. And while this is a fine (both probably stink) trade and we come away with a little more upside, it’s still about the immediate help. Managing/making moves for your job next year does not help an organization. As soon as we get to that….and we have very much gotten to that. Things need to change. This is still not how you get an organization up and running and backlog talent.
GRRRRRRRRR, sigh. I’ll take it I guess. Just take the small wins Joel.
And I don’t care what the FO say’s. If they had waited a little longer they could have gotten something better for Lopez. I have zero doubt about that.
They absolutely could have had a different deal for Lopez, but there just was zero being offered for him. I don't think that would have changed. And I don't especially care what they get for a middle reliever who can't strand anyone. If they get any sort of upside, it's a good deal.
If there was zero being offered for him. You wait until the offseason and see. Or you know what, you wait until 5.59. There is nothing making you make that deal two days before the deadline.
You're right. There's nothing forcing them to make that deal when they did. But when there's literal crickets in terms of any sort of value offered, you just take the deal. I still don't care that they traded Lopez and I still don't care about that caliber of return. What I care about is who they got for multiple reasons and that's still a big problem, but after talking with multiple people in multiple organizations, I'm pretty convinced that a better deal wasn't coming and they chose the option that shed the salary (I think that's smart, not cheap when you're going to DFA a guy anyway). I'd have rather they shed the salary with some random name pulled out of a hat and that's why I still hate the trade. But that's the issue, not dealing Lopez early.
Yes, I’m not trying to get into the Lopez thing really. I’m more concerned with the comments from the FO, and the players they have received back so far. I think I know what the plan is now, and I don’t like it. But nothing I can do about it.
I know you don’t make trades for the fans. But I really need to see something creative out of this FO today. They’ve had an offseason, and draft, and now this deadline. The most creative we’ve gotten is a high school catcher, and then a bunch of 5+ era mlb/AAA guys back. I’m scared to death this plan is adding to this core that is going to lose 110 games and they keep Barlow and Herenandez today.
An improvement from the previous day’s trade for sure. But that’s like saying it’s cooler today at 100 degrees when it was 115 yesterday. Still have no confidence today will be an improvement.
Yesterday's trade was a legitimately solid baseball trade. I don't think it's fair to short them on that. It was well done. It's likely meaningless, but they traded Jose Cuas, so I'm not sure what could be expected there.
2 days, another question. The Ray's traded for Aaron Civale and gave up the #37 overall prospect. You didn't mention Yarbrough this morning. As good as he has pitched in the 2 months, why wouldn't he bring back something close to what Civale did?
I should have included Yarbrough. There's a market for him too, but Civale is better, so he's not bringing back anything near the #37 prospect. I think they can get something for him, but it's not going to be earth shattering.
I'm looking forward to seeing you on KCTV tonight --
I think the Cuas trade was a good one, maybe somewhere on the way to being able to trade for or buy a possibly reliably good reliever.
Sometimes I wonder if there is still collusion going on among the owners. It seems like some teams are committed to not spending money... and being at the bottom of the standings. I think about the Royals in the Glass years... I think about Oakland, I think about Colorado... Of course, the Mets now destroy my theory... because they spend the money...
I should get back to whatever work I was trying to do instead thinking up these paranoid ideas...
There are absolutely a group of owners who simply refuse to spend, but I'm not so sure that there's collusion happening as much as just ineptitude. Colorado spends too, they just can't figure out how to build a good team.
Possibly a dumb question, so forgive me if you’re tired of answering it. If Velazquez is much like Olivares, what’s the up side to trading for Velazquez rather than continuing to develop Olivares? Is it that we can get more value trading Ollie? Don’t get me wrong, I’m just fine dealing Cuas.
Velazquez is three years younger and has five (maybe six) years of control compared to three for Olivares. There's also more upside for him both offensively and defensively. Plus, the factor that Olivares could bring back something in a trade as well.
I like the Cuas trade, but i'm hoping for a few more to wash the hearn taste out of my mouth (for some reason, of all the despair this season, that was the thing that broke me)
If you are at 10% less hate, does that mean you are at 90 now?
I haven't watched the Royals since before the All-Star break but I'm so glad to see Cuas go that I can't hardly get interested in what they got in return.
Hmmm... Let's see here..... A minor leaguer who strikes out 30% of the time. Yep, sounds like "a Royals kind of guy" to me. Still, Cuas is ancient history now. Addition by subtraction.
The trade was fine. I’m glad the FO said the right thing ONLY after getting roasted by the entire city the day before. At least they appear to be paying attention to that. Anything with upside is what we are going for. I STILL have a problem with AAA to mlb guys for this. It is VERY apparent that we now have a front office that after one year is looking at there jobs and making decisions based on that for next year. This is yet again another reason why you clean house completely. And while this is a fine (both probably stink) trade and we come away with a little more upside, it’s still about the immediate help. Managing/making moves for your job next year does not help an organization. As soon as we get to that….and we have very much gotten to that. Things need to change. This is still not how you get an organization up and running and backlog talent.
GRRRRRRRRR, sigh. I’ll take it I guess. Just take the small wins Joel.
And I don’t care what the FO say’s. If they had waited a little longer they could have gotten something better for Lopez. I have zero doubt about that.
They absolutely could have had a different deal for Lopez, but there just was zero being offered for him. I don't think that would have changed. And I don't especially care what they get for a middle reliever who can't strand anyone. If they get any sort of upside, it's a good deal.
If there was zero being offered for him. You wait until the offseason and see. Or you know what, you wait until 5.59. There is nothing making you make that deal two days before the deadline.
You're right. There's nothing forcing them to make that deal when they did. But when there's literal crickets in terms of any sort of value offered, you just take the deal. I still don't care that they traded Lopez and I still don't care about that caliber of return. What I care about is who they got for multiple reasons and that's still a big problem, but after talking with multiple people in multiple organizations, I'm pretty convinced that a better deal wasn't coming and they chose the option that shed the salary (I think that's smart, not cheap when you're going to DFA a guy anyway). I'd have rather they shed the salary with some random name pulled out of a hat and that's why I still hate the trade. But that's the issue, not dealing Lopez early.
Yes, I’m not trying to get into the Lopez thing really. I’m more concerned with the comments from the FO, and the players they have received back so far. I think I know what the plan is now, and I don’t like it. But nothing I can do about it.
They likely overvalued Nicky and missed the boat, settling for wat they got.
I don't think they overvalued him. I think they properly valued him and were going to DFA him if they couldn't move him.
Lesky’s back as the voice of reason.
I know you don’t make trades for the fans. But I really need to see something creative out of this FO today. They’ve had an offseason, and draft, and now this deadline. The most creative we’ve gotten is a high school catcher, and then a bunch of 5+ era mlb/AAA guys back. I’m scared to death this plan is adding to this core that is going to lose 110 games and they keep Barlow and Herenandez today.
I would be very surprised if Barlow is a Royal when they take the field tonight. I'm not saying I'm on board with the plan, but let's take a breath.
Breathing, breathing, breathing…………….sigh. Fine, we will be reasonable today.
An improvement from the previous day’s trade for sure. But that’s like saying it’s cooler today at 100 degrees when it was 115 yesterday. Still have no confidence today will be an improvement.
Yesterday's trade was a legitimately solid baseball trade. I don't think it's fair to short them on that. It was well done. It's likely meaningless, but they traded Jose Cuas, so I'm not sure what could be expected there.
Luckily for Cuas, there are FedEx depots in Chicago, too, so he always has a backup plan... ;)
2 days, another question. The Ray's traded for Aaron Civale and gave up the #37 overall prospect. You didn't mention Yarbrough this morning. As good as he has pitched in the 2 months, why wouldn't he bring back something close to what Civale did?
I should have included Yarbrough. There's a market for him too, but Civale is better, so he's not bringing back anything near the #37 prospect. I think they can get something for him, but it's not going to be earth shattering.
I think Yarborough has pitched well...."So he's gotz to go!"
I'm looking forward to seeing you on KCTV tonight --
I think the Cuas trade was a good one, maybe somewhere on the way to being able to trade for or buy a possibly reliably good reliever.
Sometimes I wonder if there is still collusion going on among the owners. It seems like some teams are committed to not spending money... and being at the bottom of the standings. I think about the Royals in the Glass years... I think about Oakland, I think about Colorado... Of course, the Mets now destroy my theory... because they spend the money...
I should get back to whatever work I was trying to do instead thinking up these paranoid ideas...
There are absolutely a group of owners who simply refuse to spend, but I'm not so sure that there's collusion happening as much as just ineptitude. Colorado spends too, they just can't figure out how to build a good team.
So does that mean KC is better than Colorado because we are inept on the cheap.
Possibly a dumb question, so forgive me if you’re tired of answering it. If Velazquez is much like Olivares, what’s the up side to trading for Velazquez rather than continuing to develop Olivares? Is it that we can get more value trading Ollie? Don’t get me wrong, I’m just fine dealing Cuas.
Velazquez is three years younger and has five (maybe six) years of control compared to three for Olivares. There's also more upside for him both offensively and defensively. Plus, the factor that Olivares could bring back something in a trade as well.
That’s the piece I was missing. I thought Ollie was younger than he apparently is. Thanks.
Yep, he’s 27. He debuted in 2020, which feels a lot more recent than it is.
I like the Cuas trade, but i'm hoping for a few more to wash the hearn taste out of my mouth (for some reason, of all the despair this season, that was the thing that broke me)
If you are at 10% less hate, does that mean you are at 90 now?
good luck tonight!
I’d say more like 88% hate. So a nice drop. Also, I will be legitimately floored if they don’t do something in the next four hours.
I suppose Cuas ending up in Chicago was inevitable, with his name being 1 letter off from "Cubs" & all.
Just what we need is another 1B and SS, another worthless trade for Yarborough
Keep trading away and getting nothing in return. Who is running this team.